http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html Comments for "5 reasons why the Drupal CMS is not ready for the enterprise" en Hiveminds Magazine Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:23:21 -0700 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:08:58 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-1020 Your opinion are great Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:08:58 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-1020 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-952 I've been working with CMS systems for 10 years every one that I have written, used, tested, seen demos of - they all suck. For 10 years I have been waiting for someone to come along and corner the market with a great product ... It's easy (and pointless) to bitch about any CMS Creating a good CMS is deeply challenging (that's what makes it fun :) Drupal doesn't stand out for its suckiness - it stands out because some things about it don't suck. If Drupal isn't the best CMS in the world - I want to know what is! It's very far from perfect - but seriously - is there is a better CMS out there? (commercial or open source) Mon, 16 Jun 2008 02:47:18 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-952 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-951 I sincerly hope that you are not saying that throwing enough hardware at Drupal will solve scalability problems. If so then you are not familiar with the software at all. As far as a mention of scalable code in PHP, you can take a look at PEAR or the Zendframework and find PHP code that scales across database clusters and multiple web servers. Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:14:13 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-951 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-950 Scalability primarily concerns itself with the server environment(s) and hardware being used. I don't really see the reason in saying that drupal scales badly. Bad code does not always equate to poor scalability. I don't think any *PHP* developer could give an example of a similar solution which scales perfectly/elegantly either. Not without being a fan-boi of some other language/technology/framework. Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:41:02 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-950 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-937 I'm afraid that the rebooting hassle does not account for all java Webapps. Apps based on f.e. OSGI don't need constant deployment reboots. Even complete enterprise ready CMS's are becoming available based on these architecture concepts for server side programming. See for example this article on the serverside: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=49386 New add-on components (OSGi bundles) can be deployed at runtime directly inside. The components can be installed and updated inside GX WebManager at runtime, without restarting the JEE application server, thanks to the power of OSGi. Interesting development? Thu, 29 May 2008 03:09:08 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-937 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-928 So you are right over the world ?? It remains me the story on Techchrunch with a journalist (for obscure reasons) who did't like Wordpress at all. Nobody says that Drupal have no limits, but your article seems more about secret revenge, blog buz publicity and ego concerns (when you says "I'm one if the one to point about problems"...). Hum instead of this personals considerations what are your solutions ? Oh I see... one talentuous programmer king of PHP, industrial solutions like Typo 3 or EZpublish ? But if you are honest you will find too horror stories about this solutions. And even more there are very serious articles about how bad PHP is. In conclusion critics are always constructive, the problem is that your article don't bring any directions or clues and seems to be very alone. Oh we know... Drupal is propaganda and only you knows the truth. But seriously, what are your solutions ? Sun, 25 May 2008 22:58:12 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-928 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-925 "Enterprise Ready" is nothing special or desirable IMO. In my experience "Enterprise Ready" means horribly crufty arcane and inefficient platforms that are designed to support an army of expensive certified consultants that spend months/years implementing them. Let alone the huge servers required to run them on at an acceptable performance level. Drupals lack of enterprise readiness has far more to do with the need for excruciatingly complex staging, workflow and approval systems than anything to do with coding or design. Scalability? Drupal already runs on sites that get more traffic than a lot of large enterprises. The proportion that these large Enterprise sites of the web that exceed Drupals ability to scale is tiny and not worth worrying about IMO. BTW - Dries is still a Java developer. His recently completed PhD was to do with Java and was supervised by James Gosling himself. Drupal sure isn't suffering from ignorance of OO design patterns (and I'm not just talking about Dries). Sun, 18 May 2008 03:12:59 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-925 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-924 The only enterprise ready cms based on php is called eZ Publish! ;) Sat, 17 May 2008 13:41:16 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-924 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-923 Reading this I was left asking what type of "enterprise ready" situation are you talking about? To say something is enterprise ready or not really needs to be taken into account of the situation. It needs to be put in context. Referring to something as an enterprise ready document management system vs. as enterprise ready intranet portal is two different things. The context is different and therefore the solution should be different. So, what is the context you are getting at? I, also, get a sense you are on the outside looking in with drupal and that your research has not been that in depth. For instance you speak about MVC as a holy grail in web application design and suggest drupal change to it. Drupal currently implements a form of the PAC design pattern which is further development on the MVC pattern. To change to an MVC pattern would mean removing some of the more useful features of drupal. I'm not saying that drupal doesn't have it's ugly spots. It sure does. I'm not saying that drupal isn't the wrong solution for some problems. There are times when it certainly is. But, this writeup seems to be one missing a certain amount understanding of drupal and it's active development and doesn't seek to explain what he means by enterprise situations it's not suited for. Thu, 15 May 2008 07:55:58 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-923 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-922 You have done a Good reaserch on this http://readerszone.com Thu, 15 May 2008 03:58:08 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-922 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-921 I've said many times -- publicly, in articles I've written, and to the clients that we consult with -- that Drupal is not a magical solution to any problem. It is a BAD solution to many problems. Crystal Reports is a terrible social publishing tool, too. No technology, no framework, no product, is made of magical unicorns and rainbows. It's worth noting that a huge percentage of the Drupal community is made of passionate individuals who found it when looking for solutions to small-scale problems, and began participating in and giving back to the community. The tools and solutions they find essential will not be the same ones needed by, say, the New York Observer or SonyBMG. When those companies use Drupal, it will be used in different ways. Consultants and development shops who don't acknowledge and understand this -- who sell a Drupal-Or-Nothing approach to every problem they're given, are either wearing blinders or unscrupulous. We just spent two days talking to a client who had started to build a data warehousing application with CCK and Views, given the community's emphasis on those tools. They were concerned this was the wrong path and wanted reassurance from us. We offered no reassurance -- that IS the wrong path! Drupal's sweet spot, for them, was presenting quickly customizable user-facing functionality to customers, while feeding data to an external warehouse built using more traditional tools. Someday, they might migrate to a homebrew solution, a Django app, or any number of options for the public-facing portions. For now, though, it's enough for them to realize that they can step back, build the "enterprise" portions of their project with tools that make sense, and use Drupal for the portions that it excels at -- fast turnaround user-facing social content publishing. If that message isn't being discussed in the Drupal community a lot, the reason is simple -- there's a large pool of people making band web sites, magazine sites, social publishing tools, etc., than there are people building high-octane enterprise systems. I don't hear anyone in the Ruby community telling me that RoR shouldn't be used to automate industrial control systems, either -- but that doesn't imply that DHH is leading a conspiracy to deceive the manufacturing industry. Is it that difficult to grasp? Wed, 14 May 2008 09:04:49 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-921 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-920 The author is right about a secret society. You only have to do a google search for Drupal and Sony or any other big company. You will find podcasts and fluffy articles but no stats or code, advice, pros cons or anything useful. Just "You can build stuff really really fast!". Total crappola. Bravo Hiveminds! Tue, 13 May 2008 14:05:22 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-920 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-919 "those that do it are either very secrective about how they accomplished the task or are too embarassed to show their ugly solutions" (this is the point where I stopped reading because I realized you don't know what you're talking about) Seriously dude? Have you ever spoken to a drupal developer or gone to a drupal conference? Have you visted drupal.org? This article is basically spam. How much did microsoft pay you to write this? Tue, 13 May 2008 09:59:25 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-919 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-910 Not everything written in this world has to be given a positive light for it to be true and accurate. Take some time and learn to program then take a closer look at the code. Then read the article again a tell us if there is anything that is not on the money. The items talked about here are listed to be informative not negative. There are plenty of people ansswering the question "Can I do this with Drupal" with "Yes you can". But there are very few if not none that tell developers and user what cannot be done using Drupal. The limitations of the software is never discussed. Sat, 10 May 2008 00:19:19 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-910 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/node/3740#comment-909 Ideas of futures articles - five reasons why the Internet is dead - five reasons why Microsoft will disappear - five reasons why Apple sucks and son on... I'm always sceptical about post like this one with only negative sides (as articles with only positive point of view). Fri, 09 May 2008 08:46:44 -0700 http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html#comment-909 Content management Drupal Review http://www.hiveminds.co.uk/content/5-reasons-why-the-drupal-cms-is-not-ready-for-the-enterprise.html Many Open Source content management systems written in PHP want to be recognized by the business industry as being "enterprise" ready. This is not only a mark of prestige and status but places them in a position where large companies are ready to invest in the software as a platform for their projects. Drupal is now trying making its move to be enterprise ready but has a long way to go. Sat, 17 May 2008 01:56:48 -0700 Content management Drupal Review